Comments on: WYSYIWYG Editors, The Back Button and a Monkey http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/ Living in a state of accord. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:30:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Ephox Blog http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-52832 Ephox Blog Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:54:53 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-52832 <strong>EditLive! 6.0 - creating web content just got easier...</strong> We are pleased to announce that EditLive! 6.0 is complete and can now be downloaded from our web site. This major release provides significant new upgrades: EditLive! Productivity Pack support Track Changes Thesaurus Equation Editor Content preservatio... EditLive! 6.0 - creating web content just got easier…

We are pleased to announce that EditLive! 6.0 is complete and can now be downloaded from our web site. This major release provides significant new upgrades: EditLive! Productivity Pack support Track Changes Thesaurus Equation Editor Content preservatio…

]]> By: Track changes is done! - Andy's blog http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-39716 Track changes is done! - Andy's blog Thu, 16 Nov 2006 04:10:05 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-39716 [...] The best feature is content preservation. Apparently great minds really do think alike because AJ posted the same thing about three weeks ago. I found it funny that people in his comments tried to work out how we’ve done it, I wonder how many of those were actually developers on competing products. As much as I’d love to show off and point out the technical genius that was involved, we need to get paid somehow and this is a huge competitive advantage (even if it’s not a very marketable one) [...] [...] The best feature is content preservation. Apparently great minds really do think alike because AJ posted the same thing about three weeks ago. I found it funny that people in his comments tried to work out how we’ve done it, I wonder how many of those were actually developers on competing products. As much as I’d love to show off and point out the technical genius that was involved, we need to get paid somehow and this is a huge competitive advantage (even if it’s not a very marketable one) [...]

]]> By: Richard O'Callaghan http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36456 Richard O'Callaghan Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:19:10 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36456 Adrian, This is a very important feature which I totally agree will avoid numerous user problems with a WYSIWYG editor. This is one of the most obvious times when a user sends an angry email to support, because they've lost maybe half an hours work. And its present in some of the more prominent web applications around, including the blogging platform, Typepad. Nice work! ;) Richard Adrian,

This is a very important feature which I totally agree will avoid numerous user problems with a WYSIWYG editor. This is one of the most obvious times when a user sends an angry email to support, because they’ve lost maybe half an hours work.

And its present in some of the more prominent web applications around, including the blogging platform, Typepad.

Nice work! ;)

Richard

]]> By: Adrian Sutton http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36387 Adrian Sutton Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:49:35 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36387 There's a major difference between using a user-agent to edit the page you're currently viewing and uploading it wholesale with a HTTP PUT than using an in-browser editor to edit a snippet of HTML from anywhere and submitting it back to a database. Now I know that HTTP PUT could use a database storage but it is fundamentally flawed in terms of editing experience. It has to edit the entire page, not just the content that's unique to the page and ignore any common navigation structure. It doesn't have a locking mechanism, change control, meta data etc. It's nice that the original web was planned to be editable, but it didn't happen and since then better techniques and technologies have been developed to edit web content. If you've worked with modern CMSs you'll see that they provide far more than was ever envisioned in the original concept of the editable web. There’s a major difference between using a user-agent to edit the page you’re currently viewing and uploading it wholesale with a HTTP PUT than using an in-browser editor to edit a snippet of HTML from anywhere and submitting it back to a database. Now I know that HTTP PUT could use a database storage but it is fundamentally flawed in terms of editing experience. It has to edit the entire page, not just the content that’s unique to the page and ignore any common navigation structure. It doesn’t have a locking mechanism, change control, meta data etc. It’s nice that the original web was planned to be editable, but it didn’t happen and since then better techniques and technologies have been developed to edit web content.

If you’ve worked with modern CMSs you’ll see that they provide far more than was ever envisioned in the original concept of the editable web.

]]> By: karl http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36352 karl Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:06:58 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36352 What I mean is that… In-browser editors yes. It is the Web as it has been defined. The first browser WWW (re-baptized Nexus) was an editor and a browser. Every editing application should work in the Web (HTTP) metaphor. What I find silly is people designing javascript toolbars inside browsers to enhance forms. When a Web page can be modified directly with an HTTP PUT and edited in place. What I mean is that… In-browser editors yes. It is the Web as it has been defined. The first browser WWW (re-baptized Nexus) was an editor and a browser. Every editing application should work in the Web (HTTP) metaphor.

What I find silly is people designing javascript toolbars inside browsers to enhance forms. When a Web page can be modified directly with an HTTP PUT and edited in place.

]]> By: Adrian Sutton http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36336 Adrian Sutton Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:55:11 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36336 karl, What are you talking about? EditLive! is not AJAX and there are distinct benefits to having an in-browser editor instead of an external program such as when you happen to be editing content that's stored in a CMS etc. karl,
What are you talking about? EditLive! is not AJAX and there are distinct benefits to having an in-browser editor instead of an external program such as when you happen to be editing content that’s stored in a CMS etc.

]]> By: karl http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36335 karl Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:28:58 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36335 HTTP Put. Amaya. AOLPress. sigh. AJAX, an endless machine to reinvent the wheel. HTTP Put. Amaya. AOLPress. sigh. AJAX, an endless machine to reinvent the wheel.

]]> By: Adrian Sutton http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36300 Adrian Sutton Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:41:56 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36300 Colder.... :) Colder…. :)

]]> By: Dave Brondsema http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36299 Dave Brondsema Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:38:04 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36299 onBeforeUnload then (still untested). E.g. http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo3.htm onBeforeUnload then (still untested). E.g. http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/demos/OnBeforeUnloadDemo3.htm

]]> By: Adrian Sutton http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36297 Adrian Sutton Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:26:26 +0000 http://www.symphonious.net/2006/10/24/wysyiwyg-editors-the-back-button-and-a-monkey/#comment-36297 Dave, Go and test it and you'll find what the hard part is. :) Dave,
Go and test it and you’ll find what the hard part is. :)

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